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syncopate (3:57:29 PM): alright, I read your pst.
syncopate (3:57:37 PM): But I have an issue or two.
shinzagoya (3:57:42 PM): Ojayt
shinzagoya (3:57:44 PM): okay8
shinzagoya (3:58:11 PM): If you are also wondering this is in pass tense and I was tired so thats why there are typos
syncopate (3:58:23 PM): It's okay.
shinzagoya (3:58:37 PM): Okay
syncopate (3:58:45 PM): But my first issue, is that you actually completely ignored a section of my attack.
shinzagoya (3:59:18 PM): Are yout alking about the BUllet hail storm
syncopate (3:59:27 PM): Yes.
shinzagoya (3:59:42 PM): Well you shot into the flash so I wouldnt have seen it anyways
syncopate (4:00:00 PM): So this is to assume you take some damage, then?
shinzagoya (4:00:49 PM): Well I pyt it my next post
shinzagoya (4:00:54 PM): how my left leg hung out
syncopate (4:02:45 PM): what?
shinzagoya (4:03:18 PM): If you read my pist my left leg is still hanging out possible in range so my next post a shard can cut it slightly
syncopate (4:03:45 PM): Alright. I'll also give mention of it in my current post.
shinzagoya (4:03:51 PM): Okay
shinzagoya (4:03:59 PM): But you understand why I didnt put it in right
syncopate (4:04:06 PM): Not really.
shinzagoya (4:05:25 PM): Well you knwo the flash well I woldnt knwo the radius of yourt hail storm since you didnt mention itr
syncopate (4:06:01 PM): I said it was at, and all about your form, and exploded when it was a foot away from you.
syncopate (4:07:03 PM): I shouldn't need to give a numerical placement to explain it is in a range encompassing you. So it is logical that you'd actually get hit by more than one.
shinzagoya (4:07:32 PM): Well thats nit really discriptive since I did jump around three or so feet and as well the blind affect
syncopate (4:08:20 PM): You didn't jump until after dodging a bullet that would have exploded before you could dodge it.
shinzagoya (4:09:10 PM): The minute shot the bullet the flash went out which would have casued a blind affect
syncopate (4:10:11 PM): Two reasons why that wouldn't have effected Faustus. First he has the Iris of the World, go read his sheet to figure out what that is. Second, the bullet was already fired, so that would have not thrown off its trajectory at all.
shinzagoya (4:15:47 PM): well actually I jump before you shot now that I read it
shinzagoya (4:15:48 PM): Seeing the man reaching into his jacket pocket for somthing Shin quickly , but slowly lowered his left hand to the side the orb of light still clearly visible . As he saw the sliver lining of a barrel being pulled out . Shin had crushed the orb of light with in his hand before shifting his weight to the right of his body . Before opening his hand letting out a blinding flash of light almost like a flash-bang
syncopate (4:16:32 PM): This does not state a jump, just a shift in weight.
syncopate (4:17:17 PM): It says nothing that would make me insinuate a great deal of movement, or enough to avoid a near point blank range gunshot.
shinzagoya (4:17:23 PM): You aimed and the flash
syncopate (4:17:25 PM): that then exploded.
shinzagoya (4:17:30 PM): so thge flash went off before I jumped
syncopate (4:17:45 PM): But a jump was not stated or even insinuated.
syncopate (4:17:55 PM): nor a direction.
shinzagoya (4:18:40 PM): No that the direction leand while the flash went out
syncopate (4:18:58 PM): You leaned, not jumped.
shinzagoya (4:19:04 PM): before side leaping around three to four feet from his original position
shinzagoya (4:19:22 PM): So the flash would have stagered you maybe
syncopate (4:19:43 PM): I told you to read Iris of the World. The flash would not have taggered me.
syncopate (4:19:48 PM): *staggered
shinzagoya (4:20:02 PM): Okay your link
syncopate (4:21:00 PM): Also you did not mention a side leap that would, in the chronology of the fight, happen before my bullet was sent out. Ypu specifically stated you ducked, not jumped away from my bullet.
shinzagoya (4:23:06 PM): and I did the flash befor leaping
syncopate (4:26:02 PM): Don't know how that plays into this. The flash happened at the exact moment of my gunshot as you stated, so that would even further decrease the likelyhood of you jumping(even if you stated you did) out of the way completely, because you were already performing an action at the moment of my own action. An action that just sp happened to be able to break the sound barrier.
syncopate (4:26:06 PM): *so
syncopate (4:27:28 PM):
nu-guardia.freeforums.net/thread/70/ctr1-faustus-shin this is for my Char sheet if you wanted to read Iris of the World, click my characters name at the top.
shinzagoya (4:30:33 PM): You aimed at my chest did you know so shifting all my weight to the right meabinng my chest leaned off your aim at the same time the flash went off during the flash keep in mind this is seconds a milliseconds going by from the time the flash and your bullet shot till the time I jumped ot the side so and yeah I will read it real quick
shinzagoya (4:36:14 PM): are you aure this is your character sheet casue I cant find it
syncopate (4:36:20 PM): Even if that is so, the speed at which this is happening, the distance we are from each other, and the nature of the attack itself(relative wide range) all of your actions could not have happened faster than a fraction of a second, AND allowed you to escape without at least several injuries.
syncopate (4:37:31 PM): You looking hard enough? I found it just now in .5 seconds of looking at my sheet.
syncopate (4:37:45 PM):
Iris of the World: Psychic surgery allowed seamless replacement of his real eye for this item gained by an I Choraan Siren.
Stage One: Allows rapid perspective shift. On contact, user can gain perspective of enemies killed by current foe, allowing him first-hand knowledge of techniques used before, usable as a watered down form of recognition. Also allows user to see the battlefield from any angle.
Stage Two: Primary ability is strengthened; now capable of being summoned at will as opposed to on contact. Allows prediction of movements through behavioral patterns; advances the sense of precognition. Also allows for snapshot rendition of glyphs and spell-circles while allowing access to a higher form of arcane sight.
shinzagoya (4:44:54 PM): question is did y ou use the iris
syncopate (4:45:11 PM): Iris is innately active at the start of any rp.
syncopate (4:45:15 PM): It is his eye.
shinzagoya (4:45:34 PM): Okay good to know
syncopate (4:46:49 PM): So, the way I slice it up it looks like you'd take a few stabs to the back, and leg. Non-lethal, but probably painful and would inhibit your characters overall performance.
shinzagoya (4:50:04 PM): Well depends on the radius so I wouldnt say stabs but more like deep cuts
syncopate (4:52:40 PM): Well they are jagged and, flying in all directions.
shinzagoya (4:54:06 PM): But you have to take in account i ma moving
shinzagoya (4:54:10 PM): am*
syncopate (4:54:34 PM): Yeah but you have to take into account the speed and times involved in the attack.
syncopate (4:55:09 PM): The stabs would not be deep or hit vital organs. Just enough to penetrate some flesh or muscle and stick.
shinzagoya (4:55:10 PM): Unless those spikes are going the speed of a bullet
shinzagoya (4:55:40 PM): or if it covers 360
syncopate (4:56:05 PM): Probably not quite bullet speed but they've got a shit ton of momentum, and yeah it's 360. It went off like a firework right next to you.
shinzagoya (4:56:38 PM): And how big are they
syncopate (4:57:08 PM): Not too big. Maybe two feet in length each.
syncopate (4:57:29 PM): length of a shortswords blade.
shinzagoya (4:59:48 PM): Yeah so would be more sense to get deep cut wounds then stabs
syncopate (5:00:06 PM): How would that make "more sense"
syncopate (5:00:45 PM): anything with a pointed edge can stab. their length doesn't make that more or less likely, at least not the two-foot margin. But whatevs, Deep slashes it is.
shinzagoya (5:02:03 PM): cause I am sliding my leg across the floor so the most it would do is just go straingt through or cut deeply
syncopate (5:02:46 PM): It is a quickdraw attack, so they wouldn't fully penetrate your bone and come out the other side.
syncopate (5:02:59 PM): that actually brings me to my second issue with your post, remember there were two I had.
syncopate (5:03:20 PM): Your attack would not be able to deliver third degree burns, being that it is a quickdraw.
shinzagoya (5:04:23 PM): Its the forming of energy
shinzagoya (5:04:34 PM): cause the ball is an energt attack
syncopate (5:05:33 PM): Yeah, but it wouldn't dish out the damage you stated without being properly prepped.
shinzagoya (5:05:50 PM): Thrid degree burns
syncopate (5:06:23 PM): Yeah, it wouldn't be capable of that being unprepped.
syncopate (5:06:53 PM): It might be uncomofrtably hot, and could have its blinding effects. But wouldn't burn flesh.
syncopate (5:07:05 PM): at least nowhere near second or third degree burns.
shinzagoya (5:07:08 PM): is not uncoomon and its not liek I am blasting your entire body in half with it like what I was goignt o fire at the bouncer
syncopate (5:07:56 PM): Yeah but that's not the point. We have a system in place on Guardia. And that is the prep system. Your attack wouldn't have the heat neccessary without being prepped to deliver third degree burns.
syncopate (5:08:22 PM): So In my post I'll state it offered discomfort, and maybe singed some of his hair, but it won't deal any real damage.
shinzagoya (5:08:44 PM): woukld casued him to have thrid degree burns which is casued at 140 degrees
syncopate (5:09:25 PM): Not on metahuman characters with resistances to arcane and energy attacks. And it is also assumed your heat is not at 140 degrees on a quickdraw.
syncopate (5:09:46 PM): it is specifically stated in the rules how heat works with the prep system.
syncopate (5:10:11 PM): a quickdraw flash of light would not have delivered third degree burns.
syncopate (5:10:41 PM): Noe maybe if it was a laser beam or something similar it might have that capability.
shinzagoya (5:14:34 PM): It uses hydrogen you knwo the first element of the periodic table
shinzagoya (5:14:41 PM): you knwo what you find in a sun
syncopate (5:16:06 PM): You are completely going over the point. Stiop trying to cheat the system.
syncopate (5:16:21 PM): There is no workaround for the prep system unless you are very, very crafty.
syncopate (5:16:39 PM): A quickdraw attack can not hit sun capacity. That would ignite the entire planet.
shinzagoya (5:17:05 PM): If it it hit at sun compacity everyone in the area would have been burned ot ashes
shinzagoya (5:17:28 PM): and not cheating the system when I am using and copntrol photons and similar to the sun
syncopate (5:17:48 PM): It is cheating the system when you are trying to make a quickdraw do more than what a quickdraw can do.
syncopate (5:18:11 PM): My bullet hail was also a quickdraw. That is why they are non-lethal and would only offer shallow stabs or minor lacerations
shinzagoya (5:18:16 PM): Get the point quicj draq
syncopate (5:18:27 PM): Now If I had it prepped three times? You'd probably be dead.
shinzagoya (5:18:34 PM): but hydrogen comes at in a reaction with heat and 100 plus
shinzagoya (5:18:42 PM): which is a thrid degree burn
syncopate (5:19:17 PM): Then it is assumed it isn't at that level.
syncopate (5:19:34 PM): A quickdraw, no matter how you try to fancy it up, is a quickdraw.
shinzagoya (5:20:40 PM): Yeah and it only causes thrid degree if you get hit with it n
syncopate (5:24:52 PM): I can easily shrug it off and avoid it without taking damage
syncopate (5:24:56 PM): but that isn't the point
syncopate (5:25:12 PM): Your attack is not at the level to cause third degree burns.
syncopate (5:25:25 PM): or even second degree burns
syncopate (5:26:09 PM): It would be sorta' hot, and offer discomfort, but nothing painful.
syncopate (5:26:26 PM): and if I was a normal joe, might have even temporarily blinded me.
syncopate (5:26:49 PM): So as per the rules, we are going to say it didn't have the heat to burn Faustus, even if it does hit.
shinzagoya (5:28:12 PM): You realize a thrid degree burn is casued at 140 degrees
syncopate (5:28:33 PM): You realize there are rules in place for this, right?
shinzagoya (5:28:33 PM): and a hydrogen reaction is at 140
syncopate (5:29:15 PM): I am not going to continue an argument over rules that are very clearly stated.
shinzagoya (5:29:25 PM): yeah that is it's first stage is a basic hydrogen reaction later on it can reach level of plasma
shinzagoya (5:29:43 PM): which is over 10 times what it is now
syncopate (5:29:52 PM): I will copy/paste this convo in the fight thread, and we will let Alchemist take it from there.
syncopate (6:16:41 PM): yeah the rules are just sort of a general overview, and in an actual fight comes down to personal views on how they should work. I personally feel quickdraws COULD be dangerous, but are usually not death dealing without being incredibly clever. On one hand, you could say my shard are way more than capable of dealing a death blow if it happens to strike your throat or head, but other would say they could kill regardless because of how sharp they are. The thing about a quickdraw isn't so much how dangerous they are, it's that they can be easily shrugged off by any makeshift defense.
shinzagoya (6:17:46 PM): Well I did do research on burns and temps they are casused at
shinzagoya (6:18:10 PM): so when I say thrid degree burn its not the pne when your skin chars off its when it blisters a pusses
syncopate (6:18:27 PM): I know what a third degree burn is lol.
shinzagoya (6:18:34 PM): okaAY
syncopate (6:18:49 PM): THere was just a section in the rules that described the amount of damage capable by heat based on how many preps were fed into said heat.
syncopate (6:19:12 PM): A quickdraw heat based attack usually can't do more than cause discomfort.
shinzagoya (6:20:01 PM): wELL DEPENDS WHAT HEAT YORU SHOOT
shinzagoya (6:20:05 PM): sorry caps
shinzagoya (6:22:05 PM): and the type of reaction
syncopate (6:22:37 PM): yeah but in the place of the rules, it would imply that causing fusion at all in an unprepped attack would be against the rules.
syncopate (6:23:15 PM): because fusion is a really advanced state of heat that atoms actualy fuse together.
syncopate (6:23:40 PM): so for hydrogen to even come into play in your post, you'd have to reach a heat that could initiate atomic fusion
syncopate (6:24:04 PM): which damn sure isn't something that should be allowed in an unprepped attack. If that is a quickdraw, then a fully prepped attack with it would be godly.
shinzagoya (6:26:26 PM): also ifd you read about shin he has energy all around and in his body
syncopate (6:29:49 PM): that's fine, but the energy can't be unlimited.
shinzagoya (6:30:43 PM): Its not it only enough to start it
syncopate (6:30:53 PM): Also, yeah I am sure your attack did way too much for a quickdraw. From now on, quickdraws should be more thought out if you want them to deal potentially harmful damage. Because that quickdraw was a bit too strong for a quickdraw.
shinzagoya (6:30:53 PM): not finish it
syncopate (6:31:02 PM): and start what?
shinzagoya (6:32:24 PM): Its start the hydrogen reaction like the activation energy
shinzagoya (6:32:39 PM): and a 140 degrees isnt harmful
syncopate (6:33:02 PM): Yeah but to start an atomic reaction would take a HUGE amount of energy.
syncopate (6:33:15 PM): And it is harmful if it can cause third degree burns in an instant
syncopate (6:34:34 PM): with no energy or thought at all feuled into it. I'd say the cap for that sort of attack would be first degree burns if spread out in an aoe, and maybe minor second degree if locallized to a single area like a laser.
shinzagoya (6:36:05 PM): It 's a small scale hydrogen reaction liek they would use in a car
syncopate (6:36:57 PM): Hm. That could work.
shinzagoya (6:37:14 PM): So not like astar size reation or even a build
shinzagoya (6:37:25 PM): Thats why I said a 140 not 5oo
syncopate (6:37:43 PM): But the idea is that a quickdraw should not be able to cause third degree burns. Maybe blisters and first, MAYBE second degree burns.
shinzagoya (6:38:43 PM): That is a third degree
shinzagoya (6:38:55 PM): its not really your skin being chared
syncopate (6:40:33 PM): mhm.